Summary of Kathunx’s Q&A Thread

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Hey guys after reading the Kathunx’s Q&A thread i noticed its become cluttered, so I decided to summarize it for everyone so its easier to read.
Also don't forget to thank Kathunx for all his help, and please let me know if i've missed anything relevant in the first 27 pages. I tried to skip some of the previously answered, or retarded questions.


Here is the original thread for those interested
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This was last updated Aug 22, 2008 4:04
Total question - 71
Total pages read - 27

Question #1 by – Dragon[Sky]

Originally Posted by Dragon[Sky]

Honestly I fully support you against scammers. Not that I've been scammed or something, it's just I got my ethical morales and stuff.
Oh and I'm going to Southern California next year and I'd like a Smirnoff Ice instead of beer.

My question would be...

Isn't it illegal to mine informations like that? I mean, it's not easy to retrieve personal info out of a screen name/username on a forum to my knowledge, so I'd assume it's either illegal or else.

Answer #1

Originally Posted by kathunx

First of all, any man that enjoys Smirnoff Ice more than beer should be penalized through man law. If you do come down, I will pour that beer down your throat with a funnel and make you like it the hard way .

Regarding your question -
It isn't illegal to find out information on someone. Some of my associates are legal Private Investigators and they do it for a living. Legality comes into play if you post that information out to the public, or if you use that information to harm the person. I have TWO lawyers that constantly advise me on what I'm doing. The "Jackals" (I'm starting to hate that name), do what I cannot. That is why they remain nameless. I don't tell them to do what they do, and that is why I remain legally unattached. What they do is up to them. Obviously, I can't condone any illegal activities as that would (to a certain extent) put me at risk. I hope that answers your question.

Question #2 by – darksabre90

Originally Posted by darksabre90

In regards to "the jackals", is anything they do illegal? If so are you aware that you can be charge with conspiracy if someone were to actually challenge them?

Answer #2

Originally Posted by kathunx

What the Jackals do with scammers isn't really my business. I have instructed them to not push legal boundaries, but I can't help it if they do.

I know the laws against conspiracy, and I am not violating them. I would be if I condoned this illegal activity, but that's like charging the Ticket guy at the Opera for telling Lee Harvey Oswald the Lincoln is sitting upstairs. The same law that protects Private Investigators protects me. Thousands of PI's would be in jail if they charged all of them for assaults that resulted after they gave their customers information on someone's location.

I hope that answered your question. And to the poster above, you are not my enemies. Some of your are just a little misguided

Question #3 by - excez

Originally Posted by excez

What if you find a scammer, what will you do? (Serious question here)

Answer #3

Originally Posted by kathunx

If I decided to go after a scammer, I would have good reason to. I won't just go after you because I'm bored, or because some random guy told me to.

I will contact them, and explain the situation to them. I will ask them nicely to give back what they stole. If they think I'm full of it, I will harmlessly link them to evidence that validates me. If they become hostile, block me, or just tell me flat out to piss off, then I will show them LIGHTLY that I mean business, hoping that they change their mind. I don't just full out feed you to the Jackals for no reason. I've actually only had to use them a couple times. Most of the time, somewhere in the conversation they realize they have been backed into a corner and they give back what they stole before it's too late.

Question #4 by – Saint-Pasdoy

Originally Posted by Saint-Pasdoy

So. Have you tried to trace ppl out of USA ?

Answer #4

Originally Posted by kathunx

(Have you tracked people outside of the US)

Yes, I have. I will admit, it is more difficult to track people that don't live in North America, but it's not impossible. I've tracked people from China, England, India and Australia. It's more difficult because most of the tools and associates I have have a difficult time operating outside of the US. Don't think it's impossible though, because it isn't (it just requires more time and effort).

Sorry for skipping you

Question #5 by – excez

Originally Posted by excez

So you're a man of the law in a high rank with the possabilities to trace people?

Answer #5

Originally Posted by kathunx

No, I am not a man of the law. I am not a police officer, and I do not receive help from any government employed officials. Private Investigators, however, have just as much if not more access to these databases than regular police officers do. Trust me, having a friend who's a PI is more useful than having a friend in the police department. They're better at what they do, and they won't lose their job for doing it. Not to mention that most of them are retired government employees.

On a seperate note, for all of you telling me that I need to stop being a vigilante, think about this -

The buy/sell/trade market is completely unpoliced. The law is never involved with these trades, and thus scammers are allowed to roam freely with little to no consequence. If I don't try to help the people that have been stolen from, who will? I understand if you're upset, I would be too. If I was a thief I would be upset knowing that there are now consequences to my actions.

Question #6 by – Skalla

Originally Posted by Skalla

so what do you do when you find a scammer and he refuses what is the punishment (you did not include it in the other answer) what are they upping? the pizzas sent to your house?

Answer #6

Originally Posted by kathunx

The punishment varies, depending on the severity of the situation. The jackals are creative and offensive, like handicapped porn (can't take credit for that). I can't tell you about everything they do, because it would ruin the effectiveness. However, know that WoW accounts can be locked/banned, and paypal accounts can be "investigated" for fraud (probably leaving you with debt). I cant delve too deeply into this, but I assure you that none of that is illegal. (And no, Paypal will not fudge your numbers or do something illegal).

Question #7 by - Marrz

Originally Posted by Marrz

What happens if an MMowned member impersonates a Markee member? I know several people on this site who do it...

Answer #7

Originally Posted by kathunx

Impersonation and imitation are the highest forms of flattery. Like I said, don't scam legit members. I mean, I'm not questioning how you do it, just don't do it.

Question #8 by – phorentez

Originally Posted by phorentez

Greetings, kathunx!

You have my support, i aggre its wrong scamming other legit players, and i know how bad you feel when you have been hacked/scammed your own, (Tryed it a few times :'( )
I have a question for you, if you got time to answer:

I did check one of the paragrahs of the law, and it seems like all kinda hacking programs and keyloggers there can catch your info is a spyware and arent legit, only the police i allowed to use such programs and files for catch up your personal infomations,

How can you explain that ?

Answer #8

Originally Posted by kathunx

Like I said, I don't condone illegal activities. I haven't keylogged anyone's computer before, and the Jackals haven't either. The Jackals don't find people, my other associates and I do. I'm not a hacker.

Question #9 by – excez

Originally Posted by excez

Don't take this as an offence, but, are you really willing to spend all the effort and time in tracking 1 person outside the U.S. that scammed a TWV from Markeedragon? And if the person rejects to apologize, are you going to knock on his door or what?

Again, don't take this as an offence.

Answer #9

Originally Posted by kathunx

I'm not offended, I'm happy to answer you question. Yes, at times I am overwhelmed with the amount of requests I get to handle scammers. I have been and still am recruiting people in Europe that are willing to help. I do have resources in Europe that I cannot and WILL not divulge, but this whole thing is getting exponentially bigger. I am being supported by many people in the right places, and I am also going to be receiving funding to be able to hire people. I can't get into this now, but eventually this whole thing is going to become much bigger.


Thanks

Question #10 by – darksabre90

Originally Posted by darksabre90

Well the difference between the Ticket guy telling Lee Harvey Oswald about Lincoln and you telling the Jackals about a scammer is you have valid reason to suspect that the Jackals will break the law, the Ticket guy had none.

Second, PIs are required to be licensed before they can become private investigators. Without a license you can be held much more liable for these kinds of actions. Plus, even PIs are required to report if they know a crime is going to happen.

I think the law is very shady in this area, especially as the Jackals could very easily end up targeting the wrong person(If i were to do all my scamming on someone elses computer, it could look like they were doing it) and if the innocent person chose to press legal charges then you could be convicted.

Answer #10

Originally Posted by kathunx

I make sure that everyone that helps me is fully certified and able to do so. Private Investigators are required to inform the police if someone's life may be in danger. Obviously no one's life is in danger, and thus they are allowed to give me this information.

I make sure I confirm who it is I'm after before I proceed. This is very important to me, and it will always be important to me. I found Ubrpwnt easily after a day, but I spent another day simply confirming it was him (You can ask him that). Legally, if an innocent person was harassed and what not, then my jackals would be held responsible. These people fully acknowledge the dangers of what they do, and know that I would not back them up if I found out they did something illegal.

Question #11 by – MaiN

Originally Posted by MaiN

I don't really see how this is possible without doing illegal things.
If there's no possible way of you to get my IP, and you only have got a name, I haven't posted any info, nor have my family, friends, outer-family w/e, this isn't possible without some way of getting my IP. Now this is possible, but what would you do if I left for a week on a vacation, computer shut down. How would it be possible to get my info in a week?
And I wonder how you would get MY info, as the internet we use is paid by my dads workplace. We use a static IP, so my external IP will be the same, which means my dad and I have the same IP even when using our comps at the same time. So you would probably only be able to get my dads name. You could check his family and see he has a son, but how would you verify that the scammer was me?

Answer #11

Originally Posted by kathunx

Again, if we really wanted to find you we could. Hiding behind a proxy or a VPN doesn't make things as hard as you think it does. Static IP's still give out an address. And if I personally believed that YOU were the one scamming, then I'll proceed. I know that if the law ever did get involved, they could search your computer and find out themselves.

Side Note -
Personally, I find it all humorous that you all bring the law into this. You're all okay with breaking the law, but you run and hide behind it when you're questioned. You obviously have no respect for the law, so why should the law respect you? I'm not saying this to anyone personally, but a majority of the questions I'm being asked here and on MSN/AIM (stop IMing me, I'm going to start ignoring people who are asking me questions on there) have to do with whether or not what I do is illegal.

Question #12 by – yamanami

Originally Posted by yamanami

Hello kathunx.

I'm new to this scamming business, and I have yet to scam one account, although looking through some guides I've come to one conclusion:

I'd only like to scam the Chinese farmers that steal peoples accounts.

Now, if I were to do this, that wouldn't be a problem, right? The Chinese farmers don't usually report these things, do they? They're getting what they deserve either way.


But on a different note, none of this seems to scare me to make me not want to scam people. Maybe you are very powerful, and able to track me down and cause me distress, but that's all it would be, distress.

I might be wrong about you guys, and I'm beginning to lean more towards your cause than against it, but I guess I'd have to see you catch someone like that to believe it, as said before.

Answer #12

Originally Posted by kathunx

I have no problem with scammers scamming scammers. Scam the hell out of them, it doesn't bother me personally.

On another note, you're right. Distress is just distress. Even if we keep upping this distress as much as we can, some of you might not care. However, there is a LOT that you don't know about, and you should take this into consideration. You can't really comment on how much you'd be distressed until it's actually happened to you. Debt, upset friends & family, banning of accounts and such are things that some people might find more distressful than others. On top of that, like I said, there are things I can't tell you about (that you would find very distressful). But I'm glad you're starting to understand where I'm coming from, and I hope you make the right decisions in the future

Question #13 by – Karbeck

Originally Posted by Karbeck

The point I was making is you don't use the laptop for anything but scamming from somewhere other than your home/office. Buy it new from Wal-Mart, whatever. Yeah, it might be complicated, but it also seems more safe to me. Kathunx has replied and stated this would make things harder on him.

@ kathunx: I'm a regular browser of a 419 scam-busting website, www[dot]419eater[dot]com. What you and yours are doing sounds very similar to what some do against the common "Nigerian" 419 advance fee fraudsters.

Answer #13

Originally Posted by Karbeck

I don't know much about them, but if they're busting scammers than I have tons of respect for them. Scammers are scammers, regardless of what you scam and who you scam it from. If you steal something, you are a thief. It's that simple. (Sort of a tangent, not totally related so sorry).

Question #14 by – MaiN

Originally Posted by MaiN

I'm 100% against scamming. I haven't got the heart to do it. I have only tried once, and I told the guy that I was trying to scam him, but failed. That was before we even got to the trade process.
And would scamming an account be against the law? You don't own an account. Blizzard owns 'your' account, and you have no rights over it.
I know that scamming paypals and using them is, of course, that's fraud.

Answer #14

Originally Posted by kathunx

You're right, Blizzard owns your account so the police can't really punish you for it. However, you will lose ALL civil suits (personal law suits). Why you ask? Because it's very easy to prove that the INFORMATION to your account had monetary value (money value). There have been court cases just like this, and scammers don't win them. Ask Verye, he's a WoW lawyer!

Question #15 by – Marrz

Originally Posted by Marrz

It was sort-of answered. If someone scams under a TWV name (Impersonating) Scamming nublets. Is that Jackal worthy?

Answer #15

Originally Posted by kathunx

I'd say, yes, it is. But like I said, if you're scamming scammers, I really don't care. If you're out there scamming legit people, then you've gotten my attention. Impersonating someone is just a method of scamming. Again, I don't care HOW you scam, I just care WHO you scam. I can't tell people not to scam, so I'm just telling them not to scam legit members of my community.

Question #16 by – excez

Originally Posted by excez

Was he really that scared that he already started scamming again? I lol'd.

If I were you I couldn't care less about people getting scammed, trading/selling/buying accounts or whatever is at your own risk. Trading/selling/buying accounts is as much against Blizzard's rules & policies as much as scamming. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Answer #16

Originally Posted by kathunx

You're wrong. Where as buying/selling/trading accounts is against Blizzard's policies, it's not against the law. Stealing is definitely against the law. Read my post earlier about account information having monetary value. I'm not going to start referencing previous lawsuits that prove my fact because that would take too much time and you probably wouldn't understand anyway. I don't want to speak on behalf of this community, but for a leecher who's been here for over 7 months with 1 rep point, where are you getting your confidence from? Sorry, it's just after multiple semi-disrespectful posts I'm just wondering.

Question #17 by – Marrz

Originally Posted by Marrz

Alright! So no consequence if I and my friend impersonate TWV members? Sorry, I Just don't want you to hunt me down QQ.

Answer #17

Originally Posted by kathunx

I personally am not going to chase after you if you're not scamming legit members of the community. It's still against the rules for you to impersonate TWV members so you will be banned, but that's obvious. If you're impersonating TWV members and using that to scam scammers like the chinese farmers then I don't care. I can't say that I support you impersonating TWV members alone, though.

Question #18 by - nick104

Originally Posted by nick104

Hey I have been here quite a while reading fourms and such. But yes I do have a question, a serouis question

I know your a big contributer to MarkeeDragon, but I was wondering if there was any other site you also contribute to? If we did "scam an account" or "World of warcraft gold" could we possibly get introuble with your group "the jackals"?

Answer #18

Originally Posted by kathunx

I'm a member of other forums, yes, but the only gaming related forum that I'm active on is Markee Dragon. I think you may read this thread before you read [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] one, and that's why you're confused.

Question #19 by - nick104

Originally Posted by nick104

alright alright I understand, one last question

I know some people on Markeedragon they have over 10 accounts with only 4 posts. To me these people have to much time on there hands and play world of warcraft way to much. If i scammed these people would I get in trouble? there not TWV people or who ever

Answer #19

Originally Posted by kathunx

I probably personally won't get involved, but there are scam busting teams developing to assist the inexperienced members. I will only get involved if you scammed a TWV member or a member with a sufficient amount of rep. But administrators and other moderators may get involved, along with other scam busters.

Question #20 by - mic123

Originally Posted by mic123

I Support You All The Way

Scamming Is Wrong and just Harsh i have no simpathy for people who get targeted by The Jackels

Yes , i have once tried to scam using scamming tectniques on this site , this was about 2 years ago , lol i was 14 :P i got 60g out of a level 39 , once i saw he was that upset cos he knew that he wouldn't get it mount at level 40 i decided to go on my main and give him 200g , i felt so bad , i found it hard to sleep that night.

This experience showed me that scamming isn't this little deal , its a big deal it realy upsets other people who are just like you. i was 14 and misguided by people on this forums , not saying its a bad forum i love it just some people on here take things to far scamming wise.

Answer #20

Originally Posted by kathunx

You're right. I've found that a lot of the people on these forums are mature and intelligent. However, I've found the more impressionable, misguided users to be doing the wrong things. Thanks for your support.

Question #21 by - Cryt

Originally Posted by Cryt

i got a question kath, (im sielonsus from the other night).. why do you only take action on the high ranked people on MD.. i understand it takes a lot to keep up with everyone but a scam is a scam.. and some of the lower ranked guys that you take no action against get it bad... the deserve justice just as much as the other guys.

Answer #21

Originally Posted by kathunx

Good question Cryt. Right now I have a decent-sized team that can handle multiple scammers at one time. People get scammed on MD all day, everyday. My decent-sized team can't handle that many scammers. However, more scam busting teams are being developed. They may not be as effective as my team is, but they will still no doubt be effective enough to keep scammers out. One step at a time, my friend!

Question #22 by - swankboss

Originally Posted by swankboss

Have you considered targeting phishing sites? I am sure a good phishing site would be able to take in more accounts than a person using other methods.

Answer #22

Originally Posted by kathunx

Targeting phishing sites requires a lot of resources. I'm not targeting them though (at least not now) because I just don't have the resources. However, I know a different scam busting team is being developed to actual focusing all of their resources into targeting them. Expect some huge changes in the next couple weeks. Scam busting teams all over the place are going to be emerging, making plans for what they're going to be doing.

Question #23 by - Aelus

Originally Posted by Aelus

I like your moral, I have personally experimented with scamming for the past week. I'm starting to give up on it due to the fact its crude to most people. Expect for when those people are scammers too.

Anyways, good luck with this man. But, suppose this. Say jim goes to this zone with computers you can play games on, browse the internet, download stuff and etc. He scams the MD Verified Member, leaves and keeps his money. What can you even do then? And makes a paypal and everything from that zone, doesnt enter any of his personal information ANYWHERE.

Answer #23

Originally Posted by kathunx

Most of these "zones", or cyber cafes as we call them here in the states, require you to sign in upon arrival. They do this to protect themselves from cases of fraud, harassment, or other illegal activities. They will always immediately divulge who was using a certain IP at what time to the right people. The local police at this point will always get involved. We may have a hard time finding out who was sitting at that computer during the scam, but the police won't.

In fact, this has actually happened before. The kid was scamming using stolen paypals and such. I had a political associate of mine call the local police department (Fresno county), and they were able to find out who was involved in a matter of minutes. I can't say I know what happened to the kid since the PD didn't divulge much information, but he probably got what he deserved. It's almost easier if they scam from these cyber cafe's because the police is way more likely to get involved than if you scammed from home.

Question #24 by – Persian

Originally Posted by Persian

But it's the property of blizzard...meaning any money value it has belongs to blizzard. SO basically by selling it, you're stealing 'blizzard's account' and making a profit from it.
Its a bit like....going to the police and saying: "this guy just stole my stolen money"

once again, dont get the wrong idea, im not opposing you, im just confused aobut this a bit...

Answer #24

Originally Posted by kathunx

The account is property of Blizzard, you're right about that. However, what they are selling is "information" and "time on the account". These things are not owned by blizzard, and they do in fact have monetary value.

Question #25 by – Karbeck

Originally Posted by Karbeck

Question for you kathunx. Are you working with Blizzard on this project? Do you have contacts at Blizzard, or inside information on account usage? For example, do you have access to account usage information such as IP address of a certain player/account?

Keep up the good work. But it's always been in my experience that the scammers or thieves in any industry (who make money) will work harder than the good guys who are doing it for free.

Answer #25

Originally Posted by kathunx

I have associates at Vivendi who in return have friends that work at Blizzard. I can't divulge what tools I have etc, but this whole operation is getting bigger.

Question #26 by – EcHoEs

Originally Posted by EcHoEs

If someone scams someone on MMOBay or other site, will your Jackals punish him/her? They are not on markee dragon anyway ^^

Answer #26

Originally Posted by kathunx

No. We don't have the time and resources to protect other websites.

On a seperate note, my name is Rahul Sidhu and I live in Santa Monica, California. I live in an apartment building, and my roommates name is Mark Miloto. I don't have a facebook or myspace, but if you want to meet up in real life we can arrange this. For those of you who found some pictures off of my photobucket, congratulations you are an uber leet hacker. You found a picture of me bowling from 6 years ago, please don't send it to the president. And thank you for complimenting my motorcycle

Question #27 by – Haitamo

Originally Posted by Haitamo

yeah its hot btw dude i still suport you and no i wont be scamming anyone anymore like i said again if you need anything beside names i am willing to help you. Just one question if you get associated with blizzard i am afraid of a backstab since buying/seling is illigeal and i guess that they dont care how people get scammed since they dont want them selling/buyiong/trading in the first place. but its just imo.

Answer #27

Originally Posted by kathunx

I buy and sell accounts all the time. When I was really active in the industry, I would make $4,000/month. That motorcycle is proof of my earnings. And no they don't care that people get scammed. Honestly they actually love the whole buying/selling thing because it makes them money. They aren't condoning it because as soon as they do, they will begin to lose money. It's complicated, but I've spoken with higher-ups at Vivendi about it.

And I don't backstab people, unless my ambush is on cool down.

Question #28 by – Palumir

Originally Posted by Palumir

I never scam anyone on Markeedragon, just ingame, people on Markee usually know what they are doing and aren't complete retards.

I think this is kewl and all, but doing all that stuff for just an account isn't that a little harsh? Can't you get in trouble? I mean, I know they are pros and everything but what if they mess with the wrong person?

I believe what they should do, rather then ****ing with them IRL, is **** with their World of Warcraft carrier, that way it's punishing, but not unethical.

Answer #28

Originally Posted by kathunx

An account isn't just an account. It holds a certain monetary value. These accounts are worth money, so it's like stealing money from someone. Backtrack a couple pages and read where I answer questions about the legality of this (No, I cannot get in trouble). And what do you mean the wrong person? Like, a basement-dwelling hacker? I suppose they could wreak havoc on my computer or whatever, but that's really about it.

And banning WoW accounts is already an active punishment that we use. We try to save all of the "RL" stuff for last (most of the time). And I don't even want to talk about ethics, because we all know that stealing from someone is more unethical than making someone give back what they stole. However, thanks for your support

Question #29 by – Haitamo

Originally Posted by Haitamo

exactly my point I know some scammers have very strong personalities and arent light minded after all every community has scammers fraudsters etc punishing something irl for soemthing only is just too much
again comsa u are just pussies and no of you can do this or dream of doing it anyway...go go pretend
to me ur like the skull and brain but ofc u dont know what that is

Answer #29

Originally Posted by kathunx

What? I'm not sure if this is a question or a flame, but you're missing the point. You are STEALING something of MONETARY (moneys!) value. Some of you steal $1,000's from these people, and it's bullshit. It's not a game anymore when you start stealing real-life cash value. This is not difficult to understand. As for the rest of your statement/comment/whatever,

Question #30 by – Saaen

Originally Posted by Saaen

Do the jackals use the internet to find the person or just specific programs? Just curious...

Btw, where did you come up with the name "the jackals" (no offense) , seemed cool at first, but now it's getting tiring to say in my head.

Answer #30

Originally Posted by kathunx

Again, the jackals have nothing to do with finding people. They are involved in convincing people to give what they stole back. And I TOTALLY agree with you, I'm starting to hate the name too

Question #31 by – Haitamo

Originally Posted by Haitamo

atm i only law of attraction scam all the time when it fails u still have fun anyway kachunx i have a question and this one is real. Arent you afraid to start a war with some of the scammers out there? most of comsa and mmowned scammers chickened out when you came but I mean the other ones the really pro ones am talking 100+ kilo no life wow nerd. am just saying that ur project is big.and it will destroy scamming forever but do you think the big heads ("still not talking about pee on my pant comsa ) out there might not agree? I understand the jackals are hackers torturers etc etc etc but anyone with 1 week of free time and acess to google can become one too. I would fear a strike back. How can you protect yourself from this. INtimidation always lead to revolutions in ALL aspects of life. I was thinking this: intimidation at first then put up some videos on youtube about how tHE SCAMMED person feels and make people feel that this is wrong. (my law of attraction is not like that beacause i scam chinese people of gold they bought underpriced and will sell overpriced).
ps: I have read a few comments on your thread in markee that were very offensive to mmowned. Kurios is in no way a coward and he is against scamming too. They should really get informed before talking.
Also I think you should setup some sort of protection fee for users on markee like 5$ per 3month to be protected from scams.. this is very good business idea.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Answer #31

Originally Posted by kathunx

Ok, I spent a lot of time trying to understand you and I think I've got the gist of translating your text.

I am not starting a war with scammers. I am simply telling everyone that I will be protecting legit members of my website. On top of that, there are HUGE things in development right now that I cannot divulge with any of you. Numerous scam busting teams will be arising, funding is coming from everywhere. I respect you all for your knowledge on all of this, and I respect those of you approach this with maturity and intelligence. I have nothing against you as people. I just want to defend my website. You can scam every where else. This isn't a war against scamming in general, I just want to protect my people.

And not ONCE have I ever posted anything about ranking members of the MMOwned community. That is 100% complete bullshit. I have treated all staff members of this website with respect, and they have returned it. I have nothing to say but good things about the people that run this website. Whatever bullshit you're trying to make up is failing. What other people post is not my problem.

Question #32 by – Chickensoup

Originally Posted by Chickensoup

Hey Kathunx, got 2 questions for ya.

1. If the person is TVW, then they'll have it stated or a pic in their sig, right?

2. So, basically, you're a peacekeeper between the scammers and the legit Markee people?

Answer #32

Originally Posted by kathunx

1. Yes, they will display it in their signature (most of the time).
2. I guess you could call me that. I mean, I'm here trying to speak with all the scammers on a website in which I was originally not very welcome at

Question #33 by – clintkinz

Originally Posted by clintkinz

This is stupid in my opinion. All you've really done is threatened scared kids into giving accounts back or else "The Jackles" will keep calling until Mom and Dad finally pick up the phone trying to figure out why the phone has rang off the hook for an hour, and learn that their kids have been committing some over exaggerated form of fraud. I would love to see what you would plan to do with someone who was an actual adult whom couldn't care less if his 80 year old mother got a call from some guy with far too much time on his hands telling her that her son had scammed a rare WoW account. Then what exactly are you going to do that isn't considered "illegal"? The only thing I could see intimidating an adult that doesn't care what their family thinks of what they do with their free time would be threatening Paypal suits and or debt, which you could win with all these lawyers at your disposal, right?

Because if you wait 50 days Paypal isn't going to do shit to dispute the claim and a 50 day wait for a free 400 odd dollars and your account back seems worth its wait. I mean I am against scamming legit members of the community and the only people I've made money off of thus far are Chinksters, but let's just weigh the what ifs. So I suppose to sum this up and ask my question to you Mr. Kalthunx

What are you going to do if you run into an adult who doesn't care/doesn't have any immediate family and played by the Paypal rules?

Answer #33

Originally Posted by kathunx

Good question. Not surprisingly, you are the only adult on the other side of the fence that I've spoken with this. Usually most of the scammers that I encounter are young. In fact, I don't think I've encountered a grown man who makes his money by scamming kids/chinese (or "chinksters" as you called them) etc. But no, we would not be calling your mother.

Paypal users have a 45 day time period to dispute a claim, or the transaction is then "grayed". "Grayed" transactions are rarely investigated by paypal, and usually the only time they're visited is if someone in the investigated department decided to visit it for whatever reason. Some times when these investigators will ask you for proof of a transaction you did 90 days ago (tracking #). If you can't provide the proof, the investigator will put those funds on hold (possibly putting a negative balance to your account) and investigate it further. They may decide to release the funds (that you may or may not have already spent), or decide to reverse the funds (putting you in a negative balance). It just so happens that one of my associates works at this department and will investigate transactions for me if I give him a "lead" on possible fraud. Do I pay him for this? No. Is this illegal? No.

Of course I'm not going to sick my attorneys on you. These attorneys simply advise me on what I do. One of them is a family friend, and the other one is the brother of a colleague. I'm not interested in proceeding with any type of civil suit against people who haven't personally wronged me.

I hope this answers your question.

Question #34 by – hootiepoonie

Originally Posted by hootiepoonie

Disregard this thread if you are over 18 years of age and don't live with mommy and daddy. Should you scam guys on MD with +25 rep prolly not. Are they absolutely retarded for being that experienced and getting scammed? absolutely yes! This is great for exp scammers as kathunx is clearing out all the retard kiddies who clog MD as is. My question to you kathunx is what is the avg age of the people you have busted for scamming people?

Answer #34

Originally Posted by kathunx

16-17. The youngest kid I dealt with was 13, obviously he just gave up whatever he stole. The oldest person I dealt with was 27. This was when I was sort of new at all of this. It took me about a week to handle that guy. Eventually he contacted me and gave up, but that was after his paypal was flipped and half of his WoW accounts were banned.

Question #35 by – hootiepoonie

Originally Posted by hootiepoonie

how would you go about banning someones stolen WOW accounts unless someone had information on their computer

Answer #35

Originally Posted by kathunx

If I have their IP, I can lock/ban all of the accounts associated to it. There is no hacking or illegal activity involved.

Question #36 by – hootiepoonie

Originally Posted by hootiepoonie

I am confused you are going to ban all of this guys wow accounts soley based off his IP? How is that possible without you being a blizzard account admin? you dont have access to the account information so you couldn't call Blizzard to ban the accounts either. So either you have your buddies sniffing logs on the guys computer or you are full of horsecrap. I believe its the latter =)

If having someones IP you can soley get accounts locked/banned Kathunx here should put up a nice guide on how to do this because I have never seen such a thing. You would get a +rep from me.

Answer #36

Originally Posted by kathunx

I am not an account admin. I do not work for Blizzard. That doesn't mean I don't know people in the right places. The next time I have to do it to someone, I'll post it up.

Question #37 by – fishfool60

Originally Posted by fishfool60

I put my money on either a breach of the MMOwned or Markee Dragon privacy policy by admin releasing IPs to these guys. You can bet your ass that one day they are going to pull the trigger on the wrong guy and see subpoenas. Also a good number of states have cyber stalking laws, do that over state lines and you might be getting a call from a US attorney.

Answer #37

Originally Posted by kathunx

It's not some sort of program. Private Investigators have access to tons of databases, people and tools that they use. I can't give that off even if I wanted to.

Question #38 by – Notahax

Originally Posted by Notahax

Looks like my question didn't get passed or some bug that's not showing my question:

Is it illegal to give/sell your tool to find people? I really hate scammers.. 70% of the time I get scammed. Maybe you can help me when Im trading/selling sometime =)

Answer #38

Originally Posted by kathunx

...False. No privacy policies are being breached here. And believe it or not I've actually had attorneys call me before. I put them on conference call with one of my attorney's and I haven't heard from any of them ever again.

Question #39 by – eternalstrife

Originally Posted by eternalstrife

Well lets say i scammed an account some day (that day will never come)
And lets say it was a trustwho verified whatever.

The Jackals call me... i will laugh at there american accent and make fun of it with my mates.
They push with the law i will end it with "They shouldn't be selling in the first place - its against blizz terms of agreement PERIOD"
They humiliate me on the internet by putting out my info and pr0n photoshopeped gay etc... well thats just worse than scamming aint it? Oh and guess waht! Its illegal
They try to hack me... LOL just try - i got the most secured system you could dream of (ok its not that secured but secured enough to keep hackers out)
What else you gonna do? Come down to me and beat me physically? Well thats what my shotgun is for right? YEAH

What else lets see... ban my wow account... and how will you go on about doing that? Gonna get 15 lvl 1's on my server to report me for something? OoooOoooO! Im scared! NOT - I tried it myself and no it doesnt work!

What else do you think these Jackals can do? hmmm call my mum? LOL she doesnt give a shit.
My dad? ROFL- He should be the last thing you contact - wont help at all.

Hurmm... what else... lets see... I dont think there is anything else you can do tbh...

so yeah...

EDIT:
Me and lefty are the only smart ones here... think about it logically guys! think! And dotn scam - im just trying to prove this is a load of bull

Answer #39

Originally Posted by kathunx

If all of this doesn't work, then yes your paypal and WoW accounts would probably be deactivated/flipped instead. And I'm sorry about your grandmother passing away, mine passed away a couple months ago.

Question #40 by – Igzz

Originally Posted by Igzz

Why do you screw up peoples lives if they scam an account on MarkeeDragon. They are sort of doing the same thing as you (sort of), blizzard does not allow account trading/selling and MarkeeDragon does exactly that. But I've scammed only one person on markee dragon, and it was a trial account.

Answer #40

Originally Posted by kathunx

Yes, because selling something that you've spent months/years working on for a little bit of money to buy your time back is the same thing as stealing it all in a matter of minutes. Comparing selling to stealing isn't even an arguement. But I'm glad that you aren't scamming legit members

[silent_asailant]

Question #41 by – fishfool60

Originally Posted by fishfool60

I know for a fact markee does. I don't know if owned does but I would put my money on it if they are boasting a 100% success rate. I know I did the same kind of thing for a while and I know a few tricks but what these guys are doing goes beyond that.

Answer #41

Originally Posted by kathunx

Matt, Markee Dragon does not break privacy agreements, and in fact takes them very seriously. Even though I'm staff there, I don't have access to these IP addresses and such. I have multiple methods for lifting IPs, but obviously I'm not going to divulge them or they may just become useless.

Thank you everyone else for your support.

Question #42 by – CUratz

Originally Posted by CUratz

I'm really tired and i have no idea how i stumbled into this thread, anyway...

Kathunx.


I have tough nut to crack.

Lets say i scam one of the memebers thats under your wing. In Europe from a internet café that doesn't require any form of signing up, so you're completely anonymous surfing there, also using a VPN located in schweiz.

Ok, with that said. This is how the scam goes; Your member acctually gets paid but later on the money he got gets recalled due to the credit card used on the paypal account is stolen.

Note: The vpn is paid from stolen credit card info, and anything associated with the scamming (logging in on WoW, everything in general) is done from the internet café.


I could put this into practice not me, but, i know "jackals" of my own.

I fully support what you do, it's like a dream job. And i don't doubt your arsenal at all, thats why im asking this.

/Curatz

Answer #42

Originally Posted by kathunx

If you are in EUROPE (notice how I said Europe), and you are scamming from an internet cafe that doesn't require your name, while using stolen credit card info on a stolen paypal that does not come back to you, you'll probably get away with it. However, if you did get caught, I would just forward all of this to local law enforcement and they would deal with your credit card fraud.

I suppose I just have to hope that everyone doesn't move to Europe to steal credit cards

Question #43 by – pawned2

Originally Posted by pawned2

yo kathunx, go get them bastards!! lol

were at in california are you? i just got back from 29 palms and palm springs area, you around there?

Answer #43

Originally Posted by kathunx

I am on the westside. Are you coming back from 29 sticks?

Question #44 by – Gothian

Originally Posted by Gothian

Kathunx, I have a question for you. I was scammed out of an account that I traded for, played it for 7 months and did a lot of work on it. Recently the account was recalled, this person made me believe that he was 1: a female 2: a soldier in iraq that came back to find that he could not get in his account.

I wasn't very upset, we worked it out and I got a lot of my banked items back. But it turns out.. days later he trades the account away to some other person (this person told me that the supposed "she" was a "he"). All the work I did for his benefit.

My question to you is, what on earth can I do about it? I just want to enjoy the game, I'm not out to take anything from anyone, I even run a guild specifically to teach new players how to raid, and give players a chance to see content that would not have a chance to this late in BC.

Answer #44

Originally Posted by kathunx

Recall your account and change the last name. There are some pretty good guides here about how to change the last name, and in this case it could end up helping you.

Question #45 by – Shizka

Originally Posted by Shizka

This is funny, plain funny.
Kathunx, I belive you do all these stuff and you have a good success (Dont get me wrong here but I support you full 100% because what you do is only fair), but belive me mate, encounter the wrong person some day, and you will regret it, I've been in the scene for over 4 years, I was a blackhat, if you dont know what that means, then you should stop reading HERE. Anyway, back on subject, I've been in the scene for over 4 years now, retired but still have the right friends, If you encounter the wrong person, and I dont mean a script kiddy who uses PERL scripts who can deface a website in seconds without doing anything skilled, but I mean the real guys, they wont prolly be scamming chineses or whatever, but you have them, and you should be aware that those people arent the nicest of all, for example, if I have your adress and I get the police knocking on your door in seconds for alot of charges I wont name, its all about having other people blamed for your actions. Ontop of that you have to be careful, my dads a lawyer and I told him about you, and he said, whatever he does has so far been legal or people are afraid that some psycopatic jackal will come after them when they go to the police, but he must be aware that one little mistake, do 1 little thing thats against the law, and all your sins will be confessed.

Rest assured, your doing a great job kathunx, if you ever need me, just give me a PM, eventhough im retired, I can still do somethings

+rep

Answer #45

Originally Posted by kathunx

You and I are much more the same than you think. Your father is telling you exactly what my attorneys have told me. I know what boundaries I can't personally cross, and I know the loopholes involved. I'm not as worried about confronting someone with enough connections to bring the police to MY door, because people like that don't steal from others on the internet. On top of that, it would just be a battle of the police because I've got plenty of blue on my side.

On a side note, hackers could try all they want. I know that a really good hacker can probably bust through my firewall and AV's, but I have nothing on this computer of real interest. If they took my computer down, I'd just go grab another one from the office and plug that bitch in. It would cost me $0.

PM inbound!

Question #46 by – Deadly

Originally Posted by Deadly

Atacking websites is one of the simplest form of hacking
(So i've heard, I don't really know anything except some basic php and c#/c++)

I also support what you do Katunx
(In a way, I do believe calling up someones familly and similar is crossing the line tbh)


And like Shizka said, and i said in a previous post; You/your jackals WILL mess with the wrong guy someday.

Answer #46

Originally Posted by kathunx

Maybe, but I'm protected in every way. My attorneys/police officers protect me legally. My CCW permit, CQB training and the firearm I carry all day on my hip protect me physically. My anti-virus/firewall/willingness to not care protects my computer. And I protect my friends and family. He would have to be pretty creative to try and piss me off. Not to mention whatever he did, I would come back ten-fold with some serious vengeance.

Question #47 by – Moederkoek

Originally Posted by Moederkoek

Alright. I've read all up and still have one thing to say. (sigh accidentally clicked on the cross so browser closed and my A4 disappeared, so I'll keep it shorter now.)

This is all about letting people believe you have great power. When people believe you, you gain that power. And I must say, you've done that well. Basically it's the same principe as some tough going walking to you, saying that if you don't do what he says pretty damn fast he'll beat the hell out of you. In other words, with that great power you can intimidate people and thereby stopping them from scamming (high repped people that is).

Some time ago I wanted to buy a spectral loot tiger key. I didn't knew the trading world as good as I do now. This guy I tried to bought it from sold it for so cheap it was almost not real! In fact, it wasn't real. When I gave him his 2 gamecards I soon discovered that he scammed me. I was mad, wanted revenge. What I did was search everything I could find about him on the internet - his e-mail, his screen name, his screen name found by his screen name etcetera. Soon (1 hour later) I discovered ad add placed on the internet by his mother. With his mother's last name, I could track every family member living in the same town - it was as simple as that. I called his mother who punished the boy. The boy shitted his pants when his mother knew what he did, and gave me 2 gamecards of all the money he's got (lol).
Well, if I had 3 / 4 more cases like this I could name myself as a "jackal", maybe "jackass" to stay more original (^^).

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is - you've got people believing you - believing that you can trace down everyone you want to. People get scared by this and don't scam high repped MD people. Mission succeeded.
And is the mission succeeded because you can infact track everyone down? No, it aint. If I grab my laptop right now, search my city for some open Wireless Networks, I could scam anyone of them just like that, and for a fact I know you can't trace me when I do.

Answer #47

Originally Posted by kathunx

While in theory you are right, you're doing an awful lot of assuming. You don't know what it is that I have access to, or who my associates are. You don't know who I've busted, how many people I've busted and how I busted them. Where as your search for the guy that scammed you would have ended if google didn't pick up any results, mine would have easily continued. I have access to more resources than you do, and that makes me more effective. Like I said, most of what you're saying is based on assumptions. Whether you choose to believe what your staff, your community leaders and the general public say is up to you.

Question #48 by – sineater213

Originally Posted by sineater213

Well I am a scammer I quit scamming wow a while ago because it blew up in just phishing. Now I support your cause and just wanted to know if your main target is a phishing scammer or a 1 on 1 scammer.

Also another question you probably won't answer but worth a try, are you guys funded or are you independently wealthy. Also do you make anything out of this other than taking out idiots in this world?

Answer #48

Originally Posted by kathunx

I am not after the phishers, but other teams are developing that will be going after the phishers (I can't speak much about it, but they'll probably make an announcement in a couple weeks or so).

We are privately funded, and that funding pays all of our expenses/wages. We are all taken care of. I wouldn't have taken it this far if I was just doing it for free.

Question #49 by – sineater213

Originally Posted by sineater213

good to know what I don't understand is, instead of going after wow scammers which 90% are minors why not go after the big fish, last year they scammed my uncle with a bank of america phisher took me $4000 to find and put the guy in jail but in my opinion money well spent.

Answer #49

Originally Posted by kathunx

I am protecting my interests, and my interests lie within my community

Question #50 by – fssgrm

Originally Posted by fssgrm

no offence, but i`m not so sure, that you are that safe from a lawyers point of view.

what you do, is giving some people a target and you know that they will do stuff to that person that might not be legal.

that`s basically like... "well judge... i`m totally innocent cause i didn`t know that freddy the baptist would go and drown that guy i talked to him about. i only said that guy really sucked and i wished something bad would happen to him. oh that site i bragged about beeing super cool and knowing people that would drown people who annoy me? oh that was nothing. just ignore it kthxbye."

that`s stuff professional criminals tried to pull off years before you and it didn´t work that well. and they probably had more resources than you and didn`t brag about it on some public forum.

thoughts?

Answer #50

Originally Posted by kathunx

I am not bragging about anything. I don't condone illegal activities, and I specifically explain that to all of my associates. I obtain all of my information legally, and 95% of the time I don't even involve the Jackals with anything. In the chance that I do involve the Jackals, I walk away from the situation. They haven't done anything illegal. However, in a civil suit (where a fat lady can sue McDonalds for feeding her and win), it's up to them to defend themselves.

Your baptist example isn't relevant. Don't forget that it's also the judge's job to analyze motivation of the crime (I'm not committing a crime, we're just being hypothetical). If he sees that some scammer got what he deserved, he'll probably just dismiss the case anyway. You're all forgetting what side of the law YOU'RE on, and what side I'M on. I'm the one with attorneys and police officers on my side, you're the one with evidence of scamming on your computers. I have tons of support from the right people, and that makes a HUGE difference. Don't think that the judge won't take any of this into consideration.

That is to say if there was a trial. There won't be a trial, for I may only have two attorneys, but I've gotten the same advice from numerous legal consultants in general. I have done nothing illegal, nor do I plan to. If you back track and read the posts in this thread, some of them talk about how their father's are lawyers and they say that I'm in no legal trouble here. Maybe I need to get a lawyer on here, explaining all of this to you guys?

dispute it if it's within that time period.[/B]

Question #51 by – fssgrm

Originally Posted by fssgrm

thanks for your reply.

as i said, i`m not a lawyer and i`m especially not really familiar with how you people in the u.s.a. handle that kind of stuff, since i`m from germany.

i only know that even if you publically condone illegal activities, you could be made responsible for the jackals if they would perform something illegal after you assigned them a target over here in germany. it`s at least kinda shady.

the other thing is... over here it wouldn`t matter what side of the law you or anyone else is on.

i don`t scam, because i just can`t cause of my conscience.
i`m just here for the exploration stuff mainly. still i like to read the scam section to protect myself.

i actually like what you do, but as i said... if i were you, i wouldn`t be so sure about beeing "untouchable". after all it`s the internet and in here people have all kinds of jobs/fathers/associates depending on the stuff they comment on. :P

Answer #51

Originally Posted by kathunx

The laws are different here in the States. You attorneys have no authority over here. You could try to file an international lawsuit against me, but it would fall on deaf ears. Besides, I'm not doing anything illegal anyway.

Question #52 by – ahuizote

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Question #53 by – Sigoth

Originally Posted by Sigoth

i dont know if this is real or not but all i can say is lol. Ok fair enuff scamming people isnt anice thing to do and fair enuff you want to do somthnig about it, but seriosly and i really am not flameing here, dont you have better things to do than track 13 yo jimmy for stealing someones acc? How much time do you sit there looking for these people? And how you convinced Pi's ex gov officals or whatever to help you identify kids stealing pixels is beyond me. I do belive you have the power to do this, really i do, but seriosly dont you have better things to do?

Answer #53

Originally Posted by kathunx

We are privately funded. We all get paid for what we do, and all our expenses are taken care of. Money convinces everyone.

Question #54 by – facedark

Originally Posted by facedark

Are you saying that you and your little team are bribing people to help you?

Answer #54

Originally Posted by kathunx

I can see how what I wrote came off that way, but no. It was in response to a question like "Do you just do this for free? Don't you have better things to do". What I meant is that I do get paid, and the "money convinces everyone" part was referring to me. I probably wouldn't do this if my expenses weren't paid for. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

Question #55 by – EtaC

Originally Posted by EtaC

Hello there Kathunx. I'd like to start this post by saying that I think what you and The Jackals are doing is completely fair, and I wish you would have started doing it much earlier. I've spent some time reading this entire thread. Most of the times I try to trade I end up being scammed. Might just be me sucking at finding scams, but that's not why I started this post..

As you have said you want to protect your community, and I respect that. But I think in a way your ruining it too, let me explain why.

You say that people shouldn't scam the 6+ rep people or the THV's on markee dragon. Now I see why you set a bar so everyone don't come whining about getting scammed. But in a way you're basicly ruining everyone who wants to start trading on your community. Because you only protect the people mentioned above people scamming on MD will go on the lower ranked people. Ending up in most of the 'noobs' in trading will end up getting scammed because that's the only ones the scammers dare to scam.

I hope you see my point and I hope to get an answer with your opinion on this even though it's not a question, and further more I wish you the best of luck getting rid of all the scammers on MD.

I appologize for any spelling mistakes in this post.

Answer #55

Originally Posted by kathunx

I totally understand what you're saying. Multiple scam busting teams are being developed right now that will help all users of Markee Dragon. In a few weeks, you will see that Markee Dragon will be the most difficult and dangerous website to practice your scamming on.

Question #56 by – whoareyou47

Originally Posted by whoareyou47

Who is paying money to these lawyers and PIs and every one else?

It just seems expensive

Answer #56

Originally Posted by kathunx

Those people would like to remain anonymous (for good reason). Our expenses aren't as pricey as you'd think. A lot of these people do it for free, but just ask that we cover THEIR expenses.

Question #57 by – Moji

Originally Posted by Moji

I have some questions for you Kathunx.
I'm not sure if it's been asked before but I really don't want to go through 11 pages of thread to find out and I'm sure it's not hard to answer.

Anyways, my first question is this:
If randomperson1 scams randomperson2 outside of MD.com and randomperson2 is a good standing member of MD.com and randomperson2 comes to you to find randomperson1, would you still do it even if the scam was done outside of MD.com?

My second question is:
What if somedude1 and somedude2 made a legit sale but somedude1 is a high standing member of MD.com and feels like scamming somedude2 by going to you saying that he was scammed out of an account when he really wasn't. He just wants to make somedude2's life miserable and gain profit out of the sale. How can you tell who's innocent and who isn't, or do you just trust the guy with the most respect?

Third question:
What if guy1 made a thread on MD.com selling an account and guy2 bought the account but doesn't have a bunch of rep, or basically not enough to get the jackals into the ordeal. Then later guy1 scams guy2 by taking the account back and by then guy2 has enough rep to go to you, will you go after guy1?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but like I said... I'm lazy. But from what I've seen so far is people asking about the jackals and that's it, which seems a little redundant to me.

Answer #57

Originally Posted by kathunx

If Randomperson1 happens to be a friend of mine, maybe. Otherwise I really don't care about what goes on outside of MD.


I don't just go by word of mouth, evidence needs to be shown. I need proof of what happened until I go about retrieving something that was stolen.


If guy2 has enough rep when coming to me, yeah probably.

Question #58 by – panzy

Originally Posted by panzy

question: if my ISP changes my ip everytime i reset my modem with that from a base of let's say a billion random generated ip's (in a 5 million users network) how would you be able to track me if i use one ip while i do those things then change it to another,and my ip goes(~1% chance,99% it will be dumped) to another person?
PS: i never scammed before,thought of doing it for a couple bucks to buy wow+tbc because i shoplift gamecards...but you freaked me out a tad...
PS2: my ip changes on his own,if i use a proxy too,i think i'm a bit hard to find+ that i live in a...let's say 'forgotten country' and none of my family speaks english THAT well to understand someone on the phone

Answer #58

Originally Posted by kathunx

Static IPs and all of that are grossly overrated. Besides, it's simple to track a "frame" of your IP. What I mean is that if on Tuesday at 9:00 AM you had a certain IP, it's possible to figure out that it was you.

Question #59 by – guitarman

Originally Posted by guitarman

Hi there,

While what I think you're saying you're doing is great, and I'm glad to see some sort of order being instated into a shady area of business, I'm just not convinced.

While I've read your logs, and seen the videos, those do less to convince me than had they not been there at all.

The apologies are weak, and very scripted. Whether or not you had it that way, I wouldn't know.

Everything is very vague, and the people "found" so to speak, all have questionable status among MMOwned, and haven't put up logical testaments, other than "he found all our info".

I do entirely believe you are capable of getting people's information, that is neither shocking nor impressive, and almost anything you want to know can be found out.

What I can't quite believe is that you are able to do anything that would do substantial damage. While there are things I can think of, that would be easily done on windows, people with Macs (to a lesser extent) and Linux are much less vulnerable to "vague computer attacks".

In theory, I'm all for you. I just don't believe you, simply because the loose ends are too great, and your overall demeanor seems too much like a common cyberbully or terrorist.

While I assume you wouldn't care to, but if you could tell me something about me that would convince me, I would give you my full support and would have no problem helping you in any way.

Honor is a rare quality nowadays, but if you really can do what you claim, then I can feel safer trading/selling/etc., at least on MD.

Answer #59

Originally Posted by kathunx

If you read through this thread, you will realize there is no hacking involved. Action is taken in many different ways, but we don't hack anyone.

Question #60 by – Mea.Culpa

Originally Posted by Mea.Culpa

Hey Kathunx

I know ur good and all and you kinda got me to stop scamming (O.o...) but I had a question.
When I (I quit scamming but lets pretend) scam a twv member and he goed to you, you as me to give the account back right? you dont completely screw some1 over when you see he scammed some1 right?

Another question.

Will there be coming any protection of normal members aswell? Cuz I have traded my account like 8 times, 7 of which were scammers. ( not the scams I used to do but just disputing )

Hope you can answer me and maybe order me a nice pizza :P (Dont kill me :P)

Answer #60

Originally Posted by kathunx

I will always ask the scammer to just fork over what he owes and leave. Unless he's being resilient, there's really no need to go any further. And yes, there will be protection for normal members of MD as well. Scam busting teams are forming that will be assigned to that specific demographic.

Question #61 by - Knew

Originally Posted by Knew

How many people with +6 rep or TWV are stupid enough to get scammed?

Answer #61

Originally Posted by kathunx

Too many.

Question #62 by - bthizz

Originally Posted by bthizz

Why is this guy not banned from mmowned i thought this was a scamming site and you guy's think a guy who wants to catch scammers is cool omg it's obviously a fake i scam everyday all day and never have gotten messaged by the jackals there fake and this whole post is pothetic so go get a life and a real job your good for nothing and dont belong here by the way your mom does not love you!!

Answer #62

Originally Posted by kathunx

You're wrong on so many levels. MMOwned is not a "scamming" website, it's a website based on World of Warcraft. We deal with lots of people everyday, so sorry we haven't gotten to you yet. When I do get to you, remind me that it's you so that I give you extra special treatment. I think it's pathetic that you can't spell pathetic. In fact, I don't even feel like responding to the rest of your post. It would be like seriously competing against a "special" olympian. I'll probably win, but who cares.

Question #63 by - EatUrBrains

Originally Posted by EatUrBrains

well i have a question i got my computer from a pawnshop (i have 2) but it dose not give my exact locations becuase i checked plenty of times and its all ways in a another city. so tell me or you still able to catch me if my computer registerd some where els in the world?

Answer #63

Originally Posted by kathunx

Your IP can be publically traced to your ISP provider. A "qualified" individual can use that information to contact your ISP and find your address that way.

Question #64 by - GunMan

Originally Posted by GunMan

A beer would be nice, but I'm not a female and I'm not legal yet. >_> I'd appreciate if you snuck me a pint or two. XD

Bthizz, I have a feeling you're about to get into some trouble.

How can you guys ensure that scamming won't go on just because you scared the poop out of one guy? Can't someone just go to the library and go "lul im saef!11" and start scamming?

Answer #64

Originally Posted by kathunx

I'm not on my website to scare people, I'm on my website to protect people. We've busted close to 80 scammers in the past two weeks. I've answered that whole "public place" a couple times in the last few pages, check it out.

Question #65 by - Suq

Originally Posted by Suq

Well I read through all of this and had some nice laughs. I can't really believe everything (especially the "I'll pwn your paypal/wow acc") but I can imagine how some of the stuff works.
In my eyes account trading is just as dumb as scamming and I couldn't care less about both things (for hopefully obvious reasons).I guess I'll be following this thread because it's kinda funny and you have a very nice writing style kathunx. I've added you on msn (if the one from your MD sig is the right one, else pls pm me). If you have some time (I guess you're a busy man :S) I would like to have a small chitchat with you.

In order to not stay too off topic, I'll ask a little question aswell.
How long did it take you to set up things as you pretend they are (Lawyers, Jackals, Police and every other kind of connection you mentioned) and how much effort are you putting into this every day?

@ the Scammers here
I guess some of you have not realised that there are probably schfifty five (not a typo, search on youtube :x) other websites and methods you can use to scam your accounts. This is not the end of your world :x

btw:
Added Verve too, hope I'll catch you on msn these days aswell =)

Answer #65

Originally Posted by kathunx

My paypal abilities aren't all negative. I've even helped users on this website with their paypal accounts. I've only locked a few WoW accounts and I haven't posted examples. I tell you what though, give me your WoW account name and I'll prove it.

Account trading MAY be against the EULA, but it's not illegal. The main reason it's against the EULA is because if Blizzard allowed it, it would be mayhem. Blizzard would have to create anti-scamming measures, and it would take up too much of their time and money to devote resources to that sort of thing. Does that make trading you're WoW account wrong? Definitely not. Scamming however, can't be looked at any other way. You are stealing from someone, regardless of what the EULA says. You can be a clever wordsmith and try to put it anyway you want, but you're stealing something of monetary value from someone when you scam their account.

It didn't take me very long to accumulate the help that I have now. One of my attorneys is a family friend, and the other is a friend of a friend. I know tons of police officers because I'm a CQB instructor and my job is to train them. And as for the "Jackals", I had already known them before I decided to do what I do. And yes, I do spend a good amount of time a day on this. Why? Because I get paid to do so. Not to mention the amount of effort that I put into this a day is multiplied exponentially by the amount of agony that I spare my community members by keeping scammers off of my website. And you already know what my other job is (training law enforcement etc). What do you all day?

Question #66 by - 7itanium

Originally Posted by 7itanium

First off I am not flaming you at all...

I am just wondering though-- Your basically saying that these "Jackals" may or may not be using illegal means of interpreting information. But if they are you take no responsibilty in that because your lawyers said not to?

I have nothing against what ur doing honestly-- I only scam people that have it coming-- but the way I see it you either stand by what your doing or you dont-- you cant be WITH the scammers, and BUSTING them at the same time-- lots of people in history have been shot for that

So be true blue.. Like I said I have nothing against you personally-- anyone doing what I do has the risk of getting caught-- and people like you have the right to catch me... im fine with that.. I just dont see how you can make friends with the people you are potentially throwing in jail

clarify maybe

Answer #66

Originally Posted by kathunx

No. I am saying that I do not condone illegal activities, and I tell the Jackals the same thing. If I sent you a link to Markee Dragon, then said "Don't scam that website", and you scammed that website, would it be my fault? Let me clear this up to, the Jackals do NOT "interpret" or "find" information. They are a "final option" of sorts. They exist only to punish, not to investigate. That's my job.

I'm not here to make enemies. I have friends on this website. I'm only after the scammers that come and scam legit users of my website. I don't really care what the rest of you do. I'm not here to play Daddy and tell you what's right and wrong (although sometimes your questions require me to do that). If your moral compass is so screwed up that you think stealing is totally okay, then that's your problem not mine. I'm not WITH the scammers, but we're all people here. Don't segregate yourself just because our views aren't the same. It's thinking like THAT that get's people shot (nations fight wars to protect their opinions).

Question #67 by – Apoc

Originally Posted by Apoc

7itanium, you obviously don't understand what's going on. (And you really should read, and maybe think for two seconds before posting again)

kathunx only gives the "Jackals" the person to investigate. (kathunx, don't bother correcting me here, since I know you give more than that, I'm just lazy) How they obtain any information passed that, is up to them, and out of kathunx's hands. (Hence why he is not liable for any illicit things the "Jackals" do while obtaining the personal information) This is used quite often by major companies. (And kathunx doesn't quite need a lawyer for that bit, but no doubt, he does for some other things he may be doing.)

"I only scam people that have it coming" <-- Nobody has it coming. Period. You're taking advantage of innocent (well.. semi-innocent) people. You are at fault, not them.

He can be with and against them at the same time. The technical word is being a hypocrite. But the real word is 'smart', and in doing so protecting his users. (Let the scammers scam other scammers, so long as the innocent people are left alone)

I'd honestly rather make friends with scammers if I were to go trying to bust them. Why? They ARE the ones doing the scamming. You'd think they'd know something about how, right? Plus, kathunx is doing YOU a favor by busting you. Would you rather be forced to give the account/money back, or be sent to jail for defrauding someone? (I think the answer is pretty easy...)

Answer #67

Originally Posted by kathunx

Nice of you to join us Apoc!

You're basically right about everything, except the Jackals don't "find" people. If a scammer has scammed a lot of money/accounts, and is being resilient, usually we'll show him we mean business. If he's still being resilient, we'll be a little harsher. If he's just not willing to cooperate, then I'll hand the situation over to the Jackals. The Jackals will then do what they see fit to make him cooperate (or at least not scam again).

Question #68 by – Nugga

Originally Posted by Nugga man

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Please tell me.

Answer #68

Originally Posted by kathunx

No one's life is being destroyed here, you are exaggerating. We always make sure the punishment fits the crime. We don't go overboard with punishments (unless we feel it's necessary). When you scam someone's $1000 full T6 account, how do you think they feel? Pretty shitty I'd assume. All we want to do is either get that account back or make sure they feel that shittiness as well.

PS: If you all noticed, I'm trying out white text. I like it, it's here to stay.

Question #69 by - Blaze

Originally Posted by [Blaze]

Will you be protecting MMOwned members that or contributors and up about the scamming MMOwned members?

I've noticed a few of them have been scamming us.

Answer #69

Originally Posted by kathunx

I choose to protect a chosen few members from this website that have helped me in the past. I'm not going to assist all MMOwned members just because they are contributors or something like that. You guys are getting scammed by your own people, you're all scamming yourselves. I help those that help me.

Question #70 by - Zyo

Originally Posted by Zyo

Heres a few questions i owuld like answered:


Have you ever had any reprecautions from scammers after you punished them?


If a person with +6 rep scams another person with +6 rep will you punish them?


Do you automaticly punish the person or do you give them a chance to fix everything?

Do you care about scamming on other sites besides Markee?

Answer #70

Originally Posted by kathunx

Have I ever had any reprecussions for busting a scammer? Good question. And yes I have (but I lol'd).

I've personally busted probably around 90 scammers in the months of August/July. Twice, I was contacted by attorneys (usually in the family of the scammer). Both times I rofl'd while my attorney dominated the other attorney via conference calls. LOL @ that.

One guy told me he's going to find me and kill me. He even told me the date I'm supposed to die. That day was two weeks ago. I loaded some extra magazines just in case though. Oh well.

One guy sent what he thought was my name and IP to an elite hacking group (that you may have heard of, but I won't mention their name). One of the senior members of this hacking group contacted me to congratulate me on my good work, and then offered to help me if I ever needed it. I still have to thank that scammer for that, because it turned out to be a useful contact.

On a separate note, if a 100+ rep member of my community scams a 6+ rep member of my community, I will still investigate it and take the necessary actions to remedy the situation. I never automatically punish anyone, I always give them a chance to right their wrongs. And no, I don't really care about other websites.

Question #71 by - evanfreakingdub

Originally Posted by evanfreakingdub

Here's a little question I know Kathunx can answer, it's more of a story.

About two months ago my friend bought a WoW account, 300 dollars using verified PayPal on both sides, stupid of him, he didn't get a new account and transfer the character off. Now, the guy took the account back, can my friend dispute this and get his money back, or no? In other words, what is the time frame of buyer's remorse, etc.

Answer #71

Originally Posted by kathunx

The time frame is typical between 30-45 days. He can dispute it if it's within that time period.

[silent_asailant]

reserved for later use

[Nightdart]

nice, +rep

[Pachenko]

for taking the time to make this thread.

[Verye]

Good, except you screwed up the quote for answer #39.

[silent_asailant]

Originally Posted by Nightdart

nice, +rep

thanks

Originally Posted by Rayz

for taking the time to make this thread.

thanks

Originally Posted by Verye

Good, except you screwed up the quote for answer #39.

fixed, thanks

[Verye]

Answer #55 is screwed up too.

This is a really nice guide you've got there. Hopefully this will help people who don't fully understand the whole Jackals situation.

[silent_asailant]

Originally Posted by Verye

Answer #55 is screwed up too.

This is a really nice guide you've got there. Hopefully this will help people who don't fully understand the whole Jackals situation.

thanks man fixed it, and I added a link to the original thread too.

[imtakinusrs]

I must admit... this compilation is full of win from K, but there's the exceptional AIDS from the random tough kid who does not believe it.

Seeing how the average Joe can easily use the internet to efficiently do pseudo-PI work, imagine what the real deal can do. Some people believe it only happens in movies...

Those people should stop watching movies, I guess... :P

[Saint-Pasdoy]

ahh, already a remake lol

[Superdood]

, nice work looks real good

[uhmurikhan]

that was a lot of interesting reading. thanks for putting this together +rep

[kathunx]

Great work silent_assailant! I appreciate all of your help

[jimei]

Saint-Pasdoy you really have to say something to screw him right +rep to the op if i can