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Well if you get someone's address, it's illegal to just post that all over the internet, and if they did everything through a proxy, and you couldn't prove anything against them... Wouldn't that just grant them legal immunity? Unless you guys are doing something illicit, I don't really understand what leverage you would have over someone in that circumstance.
Well if you get someone's address, it's illegal to just post that all over the internet, and if they did everything through a proxy, and you couldn't prove anything against them... Wouldn't that just grant them legal immunity? Unless you guys are doing something illicit, I don't really understand what leverage you would have over someone in that circumstance.
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Did you read through the thread entirely? I know it's long but grab some coffee/beer and give it a good read, all of this has been answered multiple times.
Hey, I'm too lazy to read this thread. I know that you've spent hours upon hours answering all of these questions, but I don't feel like spending the time to read your answers. Will you enable my laziness?
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Did you read through the thread entirely? I know it's long but grab some coffee/beer and give it a good read, all of this has been answered multiple times.
You sir, have won at life. Remind me to buy you a beer if we ever meet.
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Well I read through all of this and had some nice laughs. I can't really believe everything (especially the "I'll pwn your paypal/wow acc") but I can imagine how some of the stuff works. In my eyes account trading is just as dumb as scamming and I couldn't care less about both things (for hopefully obvious reasons).I guess I'll be following this thread because it's kinda funny and you have a very nice writing style kathunx. I've added you on msn (if the one from your MD sig is the right one, else pls pm me). If you have some time (I guess you're a busy man :S) I would like to have a small chitchat with you.
In order to not stay too off topic, I'll ask a little question aswell. How long did it take you to set up things as you pretend they are (Lawyers, Jackals, Police and every other kind of connection you mentioned) and how much effort are you putting into this every day?
@ the Scammers here
I guess some of you have not realised that there are probably schfifty five (not a typo, search on youtube :x) other websites and methods you can use to scam your accounts. This is not the end of your world :x
btw:
Added Verve too, hope I'll catch you on msn these days aswell =)
My paypal abilities aren't all negative. I've even helped users on this website with their paypal accounts. I've only locked a few WoW accounts and I haven't posted examples. I tell you what though, give me your WoW account name and I'll prove it.
Account trading MAY be against the EULA, but it's not illegal. The main reason it's against the EULA is because if Blizzard allowed it, it would be mayhem. Blizzard would have to create anti-scamming measures, and it would take up too much of their time and money to devote resources to that sort of thing. Does that make trading you're WoW account wrong? Definitely not. Scamming however, can't be looked at any other way. You are stealing from someone, regardless of what the EULA says. You can be a clever wordsmith and try to put it anyway you want, but you're stealing something of monetary value from someone when you scam their account.
It didn't take me very long to accumulate the help that I have now. One of my attorneys is a family friend, and the other is a friend of a friend. I know tons of police officers because I'm a CQB instructor and my job is to train them. And as for the "Jackals", I had already known them before I decided to do what I do. And yes, I do spend a good amount of time a day on this. Why? Because I get paid to do so. Not to mention the amount of effort that I put into this a day is multiplied exponentially by the amount of agony that I spare my community members by keeping scammers off of my website. And you already know what my other job is (training law enforcement etc). What do you all day?
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Where do you get the money from to hire the PIs and is it really worth it to spend it? Of course PIs are not free, even if they are your friends. A job is a job.
We are privately funded, and those that fund us wish to remain anonymous (for good reason).
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Hey, I'm not going to read this thread. Here's some stupid question about scamming. If we ever meet, slap me in the face.
Sure thing dude!
"You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone
First of all, any man that enjoys Smirnoff Ice more than beer should be penalized through man law. If you do come down, I will pour that beer down your throat with a funnel and make you like it the hard way .
Regarding your question -
It isn't illegal to find out information on someone. Some of my associates are legal Private Investigators and they do it for a living. Legality comes into play if you post that information out to the public, or if you use that information to harm the person. I have TWO lawyers that constantly advise me on what I'm doing. The "Jackals" (I'm starting to hate that name), do what I cannot. That is why they remain nameless. I don't tell them to do what they do, and that is why I remain legally unattached. What they do is up to them. Obviously, I can't condone any illegal activities as that would (to a certain extent) put me at risk. I hope that answers your question.
First off I am not flaming you at all...
I am just wondering though-- Your basically saying that these "Jackals" may or may not be using illegal means of interpreting information. But if they are you take no responsibilty in that because your lawyers said not to?
I have nothing against what ur doing honestly-- I only scam people that have it coming-- but the way I see it you either stand by what your doing or you dont-- you cant be WITH the scammers, and BUSTING them at the same time-- lots of people in history have been shot for that
So be true blue.. Like I said I have nothing against you personally-- anyone doing what I do has the risk of getting caught-- and people like you have the right to catch me... im fine with that.. I just dont see how you can make friends with the people you are potentially throwing in jail
On a seperate note, for all of you telling me that I need to stop being a vigilante, think about this -
The buy/sell/trade market is completely unpoliced. The law is never involved with these trades, and thus scammers are allowed to roam freely with little to no consequence. If I don't try to help the people that have been stolen from, who will? I understand if you're upset, I would be too. If I was a thief I would be upset knowing that there are now consequences to my actions.
One more comment-- I have to say it
I think the reason the buy/sell/trade market is virtually unpoliced is because it is technically against the rules of the companies making these games in the first place
How do you defend someone who is breaking rules to begin with?
I think the reason the buy/sell/trade market is virtually unpoliced is because it is technically against the rules of the companies making these games in the first place
How do you defend someone who is breaking rules to begin with?
Already answered as well.
Short version: You're stealing. Medium version: Even if trading is against the EULA the information that a person is purchasing has value. You are taking said information and one way or another withholding the monies promised for that information. This is illegal and has been proven so in cases previously. Long version: I'm so not typing it out.
Short version: You're stealing. Medium version: Even if trading is against the EULA the information that a person is purchasing has value. You are taking said information and one way or another withholding the monies promised for that information. This is illegal and has been proven so in cases previously. Long version: I'm so not typing it out.
Thing is.. if your not selling the info-- there is nothing illegal about it right?
Its not the act of scamming thats illegal its what you do with the info.... I dont sell my accounts... so what are you going to punish me based on.. figuring out a password?
I am just wondering though-- Your basically saying that these "Jackals" may or may not be using illegal means of interpreting information. But if they are you take no responsibilty in that because your lawyers said not to?
I have nothing against what ur doing honestly-- I only scam people that have it coming-- but the way I see it you either stand by what your doing or you dont-- you cant be WITH the scammers, and BUSTING them at the same time-- lots of people in history have been shot for that
So be true blue.. Like I said I have nothing against you personally-- anyone doing what I do has the risk of getting caught-- and people like you have the right to catch me... im fine with that.. I just dont see how you can make friends with the people you are potentially throwing in jail
clarify maybe
No. I am saying that I do not condone illegal activities, and I tell the Jackals the same thing. If I sent you a link to Markee Dragon, then said "Don't scam that website", and you scammed that website, would it be my fault? Let me clear this up to, the Jackals do NOT "interpret" or "find" information. They are a "final option" of sorts. They exist only to punish, not to investigate. That's my job.
I'm not here to make enemies. I have friends on this website. I'm only after the scammers that come and scam legit users of my website. I don't really care what the rest of you do. I'm not here to play Daddy and tell you what's right and wrong (although sometimes your questions require me to do that). If your moral compass is so screwed up that you think stealing is totally okay, then that's your problem not mine. I'm not WITH the scammers, but we're all people here. Don't segregate yourself just because our views aren't the same. It's thinking like THAT that get's people shot (nations fight wars to protect their opinions).
"You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone
Thing is.. if your not selling the info-- there is nothing illegal about it right?
Its not the act of scamming thats illegal its what you do with the info.... I dont sell my accounts... so what are you going to punish me based on.. figuring out a password?
If you're simply guessing the passwords I highly doubt kathunx would even bother to see who you are. If you're buying accounts from MD and the seller isn't getting their money (that's stealing) then I'd say he would bother.
I am just wondering though-- Your basically saying that these "Jackals" may or may not be using illegal means of interpreting information. But if they are you take no responsibilty in that because your lawyers said not to?
I have nothing against what ur doing honestly-- I only scam people that have it coming-- but the way I see it you either stand by what your doing or you dont-- you cant be WITH the scammers, and BUSTING them at the same time-- lots of people in history have been shot for that
So be true blue.. Like I said I have nothing against you personally-- anyone doing what I do has the risk of getting caught-- and people like you have the right to catch me... im fine with that.. I just dont see how you can make friends with the people you are potentially throwing in jail
clarify maybe
7itanium, you obviously don't understand what's going on. (And you really should read, and maybe think for two seconds before posting again)
kathunx only gives the "Jackals" the person to investigate. (kathunx, don't bother correcting me here, since I know you give more than that, I'm just lazy) How they obtain any information passed that, is up to them, and out of kathunx's hands. (Hence why he is not liable for any illicit things the "Jackals" do while obtaining the personal information) This is used quite often by major companies. (And kathunx doesn't quite need a lawyer for that bit, but no doubt, he does for some other things he may be doing.)
"I only scam people that have it coming" <-- Nobody has it coming. Period. You're taking advantage of innocent (well.. semi-innocent) people. You are at fault, not them.
He can be with and against them at the same time. The technical word is being a hypocrite. But the real word is 'smart', and in doing so protecting his users. (Let the scammers scam other scammers, so long as the innocent people are left alone)
I'd honestly rather make friends with scammers if I were to go trying to bust them. Why? They ARE the ones doing the scamming. You'd think they'd know something about how, right? Plus, kathunx is doing YOU a favor by busting you. Would you rather be forced to give the account/money back, or be sent to jail for defrauding someone? (I think the answer is pretty easy...)
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[b]My paypal abilities aren't all negative. I've even helped users on this website with their paypal accounts. I've only locked a few WoW accounts and I haven't posted examples. I tell you what though, give me your WoW account name and I'll prove it.
Regnalv88. Prove it please, you still got my support I just can't believe you can lock down WoW accounts.
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No. I am saying that I do not condone illegal activities, and I tell the Jackals the same thing. If I sent you a link to Markee Dragon, then said "Don't scam that website", and you scammed that website, would it be my fault? Let me clear this up to, the Jackals do NOT "interpret" or "find" information. They are a "final option" of sorts. They exist only to punish, not to investigate. That's my job.
I'm not here to make enemies. I have friends on this website. I'm only after the scammers that come and scam legit users of my website. I don't really care what the rest of you do. I'm not here to play Daddy and tell you what's right and wrong (although sometimes your questions require me to do that). If your moral compass is so screwed up that you think stealing is totally okay, then that's your problem not mine. I'm not WITH the scammers, but we're all people here. Don't segregate yourself just because our views aren't the same. It's thinking like THAT that get's people shot (nations fight wars to protect their opinions).
Thank you for clarifying that-- that was the part I didnt understand! no hard feelings and GL with that-- I really have nothing against you or MD
7itanium I am an admin here and is my job, and all other staff members', that you are angry because you are getting punished for breaking the rules, is not really something that we can do anything about - nor do we want to.
7 day ban for you.
Others, as you can see i edited his post to not contain the flaming of the MMOwned staff.
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wow this is pretty wow... i cant say anything more. The only thing i can say - why dont you just get a normal revenge on the scammers? just get thier account locked and get the refund (Yeah my spelling sucks whatever )
Also the fact is: Not cool to scam people and not cool to destroy thier life.
now i got this question, why are you destroying thier life? i dont get the point in it, why not just lock thier wow account and get the money back + a little bit extra?
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