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04-11-2008
|  | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 74
Reputation: 14 | | Reversing the Paypal Disbute - never fails Hey guys,
-hope this is not a re-post-
So, as many of you know after you scam an account and sell it, there is always that fear of having that person/company putting in a dispute or claim though paypal to get their money back if the account is recalled.
Now i just got off the phone with paypal and i told them "i sold a virtual item and they are putting in the claim to try and save themselves 237 bucks."
After i said that the paypal representative assured me that in this kind of situation, the money in your account (whether you have a negative balance or any claim) is safe.
Because paypal does not "deal" with electronic items, by default you win the case and always the investigation turns in your favor. All you have to do is provide shipping information but type in "electronic delivery" in the shipping number and put in a few words about how "it was electronically delivered, they are just trying to save themselves money....blah blah..."
And there you go, they will investigate the case and soon your money will be safe and sound with you.  | Donate to remove ads, get your "DONATOR title, and get access to the MMOwned community's elite Shoutbawx. 
04-11-2008
|  | Contributor | | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Game Development
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Reputation: 261 Level up: 16%, 759 Points needed |     | | | testing, will update when paypal responds. | 
04-11-2008
|  | Whip it whip it real hard | | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego, CA
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Reputation: 373 Level up: 50%, 553 Points needed |     | | It works guys | 
04-11-2008
| | Knight-Captain | | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Reputation: 39 | | | heres a place i could sell an account? +rep if works
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04-11-2008
|  | SuperModerator Legendary User | | | Join Date: Apr 2007
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Reputation: 1125 Points: 25,134, Level: 22 | Level up: 76%, 366 Points needed |     | | | Testing this also. | 
04-11-2008
|  | Contributor | | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California
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Reputation: 171 Level up: 4%, 1,057 Points needed |     | | | Does not always work, I recently lost a $325 case when I specifically specified it was a virtual item. this only works if when they dispute it they dispute for item not recieved, if they dispute for unauthorized transaction you will not win. | 
04-11-2008
|  | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
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Reputation: 14 | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovian Does not always work, I recently lost a $325 case when I specifically specified it was a virtual item. this only works if when they dispute it they dispute for item not recieved, if they dispute for unauthorized transaction you will not win. | that may be true | 
04-11-2008
| | Site Donator | | | Join Date: Nov 2007
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Reputation: 15 Level up: 1%, 699 Points needed |   | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Weazel Hey guys,
-hope this is not a re-post-
So, as many of you know after you scam an account and sell it, there is always that fear of having that person/company putting in a dispute or claim though paypal to get their money back if the account is recalled.
Now i just got off the phone with paypal and i told them "i sold a virtual item and they are putting in the claim to try and save themselves 237 bucks."
After i said that the paypal representative assured me that in this kind of situation, the money in your account (whether you have a negative balance or any claim) is safe.
Because paypal does not "deal" with electronic items, by default you win the case and always the investigation turns in your favor. All you have to do is provide shipping information but type in "electronic delivery" in the shipping number and put in a few words about how "it was electronically delivered, they are just trying to save themselves money....blah blah..."
And there you go, they will investigate the case and soon your money will be safe and sound with you.  | didnt work. They asked me what type of item was it. The 2nd I said virtual they said "Paypal does not associate and will never associate themselves with virtual items" So I got screwed over
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04-11-2008
|  | Contributor | | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Game Development
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Reputation: 261 Level up: 16%, 759 Points needed |     | | | now u know lol | 
04-11-2008
| | Site n00b.. (A leecher if I've been here for more than a month and can't earn 5 rep) | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
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Reputation: 1 | | | hmm too risky for me but....nice post and nice contibution | 
04-11-2008
|  | The WoW Lawyer | | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: America
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Reputation: 391 Level up: 31%, 763 Points needed | | | | The person can still do a chargeback. You have no legitimate way to prove to their credit card company that they got the item. | 
04-11-2008
|  | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
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Reputation: 14 | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Verye The person can still do a charge back. You have no legitimate way to prove to their credit card company that they got the item. | It does not matter. The fact that you were paid for a virtual item is enough verification for paypal "Because there is no way for us to verify any transactions for virtual items". As long as you were paid and you say to them that the only way for you to be paid was for the buyer to receive the item you come out ahead.
p.s. no such thing as a charge back on paypal | 
04-11-2008
|  | The WoW Lawyer | | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: America
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Reputation: 391 Level up: 31%, 763 Points needed | | | | Then you, sir, have never been victim of a chargeback.
All Paypal accounts are tied to a bank account, which in turn is tied to a credit card company.
Calling up said credit card company and saying "I did not pay this charge" will result in the charge being removed, and thus having the funds removed from your account, even if Paypal didn't will it.
Not to be rude or anything, but I've been doing this stuff for a very long time, and whether you have or not, I'm not lying at all when I say that you can fall victim to chargebacks after doing Paypal transactions. I'm not just talking out of my ass. I didn't get 187 rep for nothing; I got it from writing guides about Blizzard policy and scamming. | 
04-12-2008
|  | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 74
Reputation: 14 | | | yea well clearly you have not tried this nor have you read my original post very well. | 
04-12-2008
|  | Knight | | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: bin/laden
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Reputation: 66 | | I'm trying this out. Hope it works, I have $200 at stake |  | |
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