Is this illegal?

[Yosaron]

I sold my WoW account on eBay.

Now I'm wondering is it illegal if I reclaim it using the authentication key, then transfer the 70 over to my new account.

Then if the person who bought it asks me for authentication key I give it them and they claim it back and they find that the Level 70 is gone.

After all on eBay I was selling the "Time" and the "Account" and not necessarily the characters.

Also the person wouldn't necessarily know that I was the one who did it.

The reason I ask this is because I don't want a knock on the door from the police or for Paypal to refund his money back or anything, wouldn't want a criminal record really.

Also I don't care if it's "immoral" or anything, the guy who bought my account is a complete c**t, also if he did suspect it was me could he call the police or anything?

I'm not sure how this shit works :P.

Once I've got the character I plan to put it on a random realm to change the name then transfer it back after the 3 months transfer wait is up with the new name so he wouldnt be able to trace it in game.

Also if this is legal I might put it in scam section :P.

Also wondering if the warnings from my old account would go to my new one after I transfer character, the new account is clean but old one is on final warning and I don't want to end up having new one on final warning for the sake of 1 70.

And finally, is this bannable? I mean he doesn't know my new account or anything but would Blizzard suspect anything you reckon? If he told a GM he couldnt find the character on his list when he got back could my acc get banned because Blizzard know that "He" transferred a character from the other account and they see that he didn't know so they think its a hacker or would they not because both accounts share the same surname.

To get around the Blizzard problem I could just keep the account and not tell him anything but I feel that would be pretty illegal, but if he didn't know I had it the police might not find out?

Actually now that I think about it on the eBay listing I never mentioned the name of the account or anything, or the names of any of the characters. So if he showed the police the listing and told him about the account they wouldnt have any proof that the listing was linked to my account right?

Also the eBay auction was cancelled about 1 hour after it ended rofl by eBay (a bit slow i think) due to it being against their terms but it still let me leave feedback and shit so does that mean the sale didnt have anything to do with eBay?

Please answer all these questions in order if you can.

[Cypher]

Legally, that's a very grey area, because laws regarding transfer of digital property are poor at best.

This could technically be considered fraud though, because you are taking money from someone then keeping the goods. I wouldn't reccomend it unless you have a way of anonymizing yourself. The chance of getting a knock on the door from the cops is low, but it's always a risk, because fraud is illegal in most (if not all) countries, whether they care or not is another story entirely.

Transferring blizzards digital property (accounts, gold, items, etc) is against the ToS so naturally it is bannable, but breaking the ToS of a piece of computer software is not illegal, and is only punishable with infractions against the game. (Unless in the course of breaking the ToS you also infringe upon state/federal law, eg, piracy, that would be considered both illegal and against the ToS)

Keep in mind, IANAL, but I do have a fair amount of experience in the field.

[Yosaron]

Thanks for the advice. I live in the UK, and I'm only 14 so I think maybe they would go easy on me if they found out :P (because of the age) but I don't want a criminal record. You're right about the might not care thing now that I think about it I can't imagine someone ringing the police and saying "Someone just took a Level 70 Priest off me that I bought off him off eBay" and then the Police coming to my house lol. They have better things to do. My dad uses eBay a lot and he's been scammed by some Nigerian dudes that took the stock but never payed, and AFAIK they never got arrested, he said no one cares about stuff like that. Also I read that Paypal always takes the side of the seller when it comes to the transaction of virtual items. And you say try to do it with anonimity or whatever, what would the best way to go about doing that? Also over here it usually takes the bloody police 3 hours to respond to a burglary, so I highly doubt they could be arsed with me.

[hallerz]

Well what coppa is gonna go around your house and say "Ello ello mate, now hand over the lvl 70 nightelf and all his epicz lol or your nicked mate" ??????

I have made my point.............


but yeah they may track you through paypal but the carnt realy do shit i dont think.

[Elites360]

in this day and Age no one goes easy on a 14 year old...

[2dgreengiant]

*gets out whip*

[Yosaron]

Originally Posted by c0rrup

Rofl, your a dickhead kid, go **** your self.

1 nuke and your country is beat

I don't really think that was necessary.

Reported.

[samwalters2005]

if you dont put the effort in yourself and try to buy an account you deserve to be scammed. your selling someone an account. be vague about the characters on about and youll be fine. most people dont read descriptions anyway. so put loads of blurb on there, i mean pages kinda thing about wow, even copy stuff on the home page if need be. but at the bottem put in "you are paying for a level 1 charater" nothing he can do about it then, cant even put a claim into paypal as you sold him what was in the description, a lvl 1 char but basicly dont put the chars name on there just the relm

[Snitch]

Originally Posted by c0rrup

Rofl, it was, why sell something on ebay to someone and then just steal it back? Kids are so immature these days, I hate it.

And IDC, if your mad about my 2nd comment, im just saying with 1 nuke it would rape that small ass country.

Die in a fire please you facsist prick.

Snitch

[Technique]

i don't know why c0rrup has not been banned yet .. (temp banned or even permamantly)

[Yosaron]

Originally Posted by c0rrup

Rofl, it was, why sell something on ebay to someone and then just steal it back? Kids are so immature these days, I hate it.

I don't think your argument holds water when we're on a site that has a whole section dedicated to scams like this.

Also wtf does this have to do with the UK?

[Herzeleid]

I'd do it.

oh and nice rep trading, how come i'm the only one who gets pinned for this crap?

Originally Posted by Yar

my sad wow story... 08-16-2007 04:11 AM hallerz for giving me rep

[Yosaron]

Originally Posted by Neinteen

I'd do it.

oh and nice rep trading, how come i'm the only one who gets pinned for this crap?

Lol I didn't rep trade, I like his post so I repped him, he mustve liked the fact I repped him so repped me back. Put an idiotic reason though >.< any mods feel free to remove that rep if you need to. If we had rep traded he wouldn't of put that reason lol.

[Locklear]

Originally Posted by yosaron

I sold my WoW account on eBay.

Now I'm wondering is it illegal if I reclaim it using the authentication key, then transfer the 70 over to my new account.

Then if the person who bought it asks me for authentication key I give it them and they claim it back and they find that the Level 70 is gone.

After all on eBay I was selling the "Time" and the "Account" and not necessarily the characters.

Also the person wouldn't necessarily know that I was the one who did it.

The reason I ask this is because I don't want a knock on the door from the police or for Paypal to refund his money back or anything, wouldn't want a criminal record really.

Also I don't care if it's "immoral" or anything, the guy who bought my account is a complete c**t, also if he did suspect it was me could he call the police or anything?

I'm not sure how this shit works :P.

Once I've got the character I plan to put it on a random realm to change the name then transfer it back after the 3 months transfer wait is up with the new name so he wouldnt be able to trace it in game.

Also if this is legal I might put it in scam section :P.

Also wondering if the warnings from my old account would go to my new one after I transfer character, the new account is clean but old one is on final warning and I don't want to end up having new one on final warning for the sake of 1 70.

And finally, is this bannable? I mean he doesn't know my new account or anything but would Blizzard suspect anything you reckon? If he told a GM he couldnt find the character on his list when he got back could my acc get banned because Blizzard know that "He" transferred a character from the other account and they see that he didn't know so they think its a hacker or would they not because both accounts share the same surname.

To get around the Blizzard problem I could just keep the account and not tell him anything but I feel that would be pretty illegal, but if he didn't know I had it the police might not find out?

Actually now that I think about it on the eBay listing I never mentioned the name of the account or anything, or the names of any of the characters. So if he showed the police the listing and told him about the account they wouldnt have any proof that the listing was linked to my account right?

Also the eBay auction was cancelled about 1 hour after it ended rofl by eBay (a bit slow i think) due to it being against their terms but it still let me leave feedback and shit so does that mean the sale didnt have anything to do with eBay?

Please answer all these questions in order if you can.

You are selling the 'TIME' and 'ACCOUNT' not the characters on the account.

[Cypher]

Originally Posted by yosaron

Thanks for the advice. I live in the UK, and I'm only 14 so I think maybe they would go easy on me if they found out :P (because of the age) but I don't want a criminal record. You're right about the might not care thing now that I think about it I can't imagine someone ringing the police and saying "Someone just took a Level 70 Priest off me that I bought off him off eBay" and then the Police coming to my house lol. They have better things to do. My dad uses eBay a lot and he's been scammed by some Nigerian dudes that took the stock but never payed, and AFAIK they never got arrested, he said no one cares about stuff like that. Also I read that Paypal always takes the side of the seller when it comes to the transaction of virtual items. And you say try to do it with anonimity or whatever, what would the best way to go about doing that? Also over here it usually takes the bloody police 3 hours to respond to a burglary, so I highly doubt they could be arsed with me.

If you're a minor they will generally not press charges, and if they do, you'll go on a good behavior bond and it will be wiped from your record when you hit 18 if you don't break probation. So I wouldn't worry that much.

P.S. c0rrup has been perma-banned (just did it then)