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Bots and Programs Botting and Hacking programs for World of Warcraft.
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03-10-2009
|  | Kynox's sister's pimp Legendary User | | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ntdll.dll
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Nominated 63 Times in 4 Posts  TOTM/W Award(s): 1 Reputation: 1085 Points: 55,512, Level: 35 | Level up: 14%, 3,188 Points needed |    | | Quote:
Originally Posted by KuRIoS  The governor ... are we back to 2007 ?
oh well nice sticky as usual |
According to WoWinsider, yes we are. Quote:
Originally Posted by BoogieManTM Absolutely, it was out of bounds and in the wrong, but isn't anymore. I was just re-enforcing Cypher's point in that people still believe warden works the way it originally did. | I'm 50/50 on the topic. Whilst I can understand why people would object, I don't think that its really an issue as long as all they send back is a 1 or a 0 (and the hash list is 'appropriate' -- ie only cheats etc). |
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03-10-2009
| | Sergeant | | | Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by Cypher I'm 50/50 on the topic. Whilst I can understand why people would object, I don't think that its really an issue as long as all they send back is a 1 or a 0 (and the hash list is 'appropriate' -- ie only cheats etc). | technically you could transmit a lot more data. for example ingame "/script BG_DESERTER = "hey blizzard";" would send the whole string to the warden server. But don't expect a reply ; ) |
03-10-2009
| | Site n00b.. (A leecher if I've been here for more than a month and can't earn 5 rep) | | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 49
Reputation: 1 | | | Still dont get it.. |
03-10-2009
|  | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Under your bed
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Reputation: 17 Level up: 31%, 345 Points needed | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Cypher I'm 50/50 on the topic. Whilst I can understand why people would object, I don't think that its really an issue as long as all they send back is a 1 or a 0 (and the hash list is 'appropriate' -- ie only cheats etc). | I personally don't really care, it's just out of bounds imo for a AC to be scanning my browser, etc. It doesn't need to do that in order to find cheats. It should be looking for win32 hooks, code injections (as it is now), etc, etc.. who cares what my browser title is? |
03-10-2009
| | Kynox's sister's pimp Legendary User | | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ntdll.dll
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Nominated 63 Times in 4 Posts TOTM/W Award(s): 1 Reputation: 1085 Points: 55,512, Level: 35 | Level up: 14%, 3,188 Points needed | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by BoogieManTM I personally don't really care, it's just out of bounds imo for a AC to be scanning my browser, etc. It doesn't need to do that in order to find cheats. It should be looking for win32 hooks, code injections (as it is now), etc, etc.. who cares what my browser title is? | I see your point, but take completely passive out-of-process stuff for example. Like a radar that just uses RPM to pull out objects. Short of boosting into the kernel and hooking APIs to watch for the RPM call (MUCH more intrusive) there's no way for Warden to know a cheat is being used. Its not like it KNOWS its your browser title, it's fairly indiscriminate, but its just the only real way it could detect stuff like that (hashing process memory, reading titles, etc).
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Originally Posted by Harko technically you could transmit a lot more data. for example ingame "/script BG_DESERTER = "hey blizzard";" would send the whole string to the warden server. But don't expect a reply ; ) | Haha, maybe if you're lucky they'll send back another rickroll?  |
03-10-2009
|  | Warden's Mediator Legendary User | | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Raping your Stack
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Originally Posted by Cypher I see your point, but take completely passive out-of-process stuff for example. Like a radar that just uses RPM to pull out objects. Short of boosting into the kernel and hooking APIs to watch for the RPM call (MUCH more intrusive) there's no way for Warden to know a cheat is being used. Its not like it KNOWS its your browser title, it's fairly indiscriminate, but its just the only real way it could detect stuff like that (hashing process memory, reading titles, etc).
Haha, maybe if you're lucky they'll send back another rickroll? | I'm still hoping for another ERROR_TOO_MANY_SECRETS. |
03-10-2009
| | Kynox's sister's pimp Legendary User | | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ntdll.dll
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Originally Posted by kynox I'm still hoping for another ERROR_TOO_MANY_SECRETS. |
Updated the emulator yet faggot? |
03-11-2009
|  | Sergeant | | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Norrbotten
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Reputation: 10 Level up: 43%, 286 Points needed | | | go get them cypher!  |
03-11-2009
|  | Knight-Lieutenant | | | Join Date: Oct 2008
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Reputation: 52 Level up: 96%, 22 Points needed | | | | Sorry to ask a question on this thread, but do you know how long Blizzard keeps track of in-game player conversations? I hear 3 months get tossed around alot for that. If you don't deem that to be related to your myth-busting, then please just pretend I didn't say anything. |
03-11-2009
| | Master Sergeant | | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Under your bed
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Originally Posted by fearedtoast Sorry to ask a question on this thread, but do you know how long Blizzard keeps track of in-game player conversations? I hear 3 months get tossed around alot for that. If you don't deem that to be related to your myth-busting, then please just pretend I didn't say anything. | That's impossible for anyone to answer except for blizzard, as that is all server side.
Could be forever, as far as we know. |
03-11-2009
| | Sergeant | | | Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by Cypher Haha, maybe if you're lucky they'll send back another rickroll? | haha yes the rickroll scan was brilliant. We had a good laugh while reversing it. I wonder if they ever saw the characters in a logfile who responded a different / positive result for the rickroll scan ; )
To bad the warden guy seems to be really busy. Changes after 6 month without code update are really disappointing. |
03-11-2009
| | Kynox's sister's pimp Legendary User | | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ntdll.dll
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Nominated 63 Times in 4 Posts TOTM/W Award(s): 1 Reputation: 1085 Points: 55,512, Level: 35 | Level up: 14%, 3,188 Points needed | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Harko haha yes the rickroll scan was brilliant. We had a good laugh while reversing it. I wonder if they ever saw the characters in a logfile who responded a different / positive result for the rickroll scan ; )
To bad the warden guy seems to be really busy. Changes after 6 month without code update are really disappointing. | I think it's funny that there's just one guy doing all the code changes. |
03-12-2009
| | Contributor | | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 2disfgtnot
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Originally Posted by Cypher | My new wallpaper, ty. |
03-12-2009
| | New User | | | Join Date: Mar 2009
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Originally Posted by WoWinsider ...there's always a chance that Warden could see you doing something you don't want it to. | I find that statement funny.. :P |
03-12-2009
| | Knight-Lieutenant | | | Join Date: Aug 2007
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Reputation: 14 Level up: 6%, 664 Points needed | | | Is this an early April's Fool? Cause searching for "Governor" on this website brings up THREE threads, with the last reply mid-2007. Thank God for this sticky designed to stem the "constant creation of threads about Governor"! Man i was getting sick of those, almost one thread every 2 years or so, unacceptable.
From Blizzard:
In an effort to combat the efforts of those individuals who are willing to violate the EULA and/or the TOU, Blizzard Entertainment utilizes an “anti-cheating” utility that runs as part of World of Warcraft. This “anti cheating” utility performs limited scans of: (i) the Random Access Memory (“RAM”) that is occupied by the World of Warcraft program to confirm that the World of Warcraft program has not been altered or “hacked” in violation of the World of Warcraft Terms of Use;
(ii) the World of Warcraft ‘process’ to determine if any unauthorized third party programs or computer code has been attached to the World of Warcraft process; and
(iii) the Windows Process List to determine if any confirmed hacking or cheating programs are presently open in violation of the World of Warcraft Terms of Use.
Part 3 seems to be at odds with "Fact #1" of this sticky.
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